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O-D football camp

My son attended Offense-Defense (O-D) Football Camp in Atlanta this week. It is one of the few camps that allow full contact football. Let’s just say I was less than impressed. There were far too many kids, and far too few coaches.

The camp lived up to the promise of full contact football but fell short of the promise of teaching fundamentals. They started to teach fundamentals on the first day, but it was quickly apparent that the coaches would pick one or two favorites to spend time correcting. I would be surprised if the coaches knew my son’s name even with it written in large letters across his helmet. Although they showed the group of kids the techniques, I don’t remember them correcting my son once as he did them.

As the week wore on, the drills disappeared after the second day and it became more of a scrimmage in preparation for the final day game. There is value in experience playing, but they were running plays without correcting the blocking techniques, etc. The coaches only seemed excited by the tackles and the hitting. There was a clear preference for some kids over others. My son was assigned to the “2nd team defense” which apparently means he only gets to participate in about 20% of the plays even though every kid pays the same amount to attend camp. By the third day I felt I was paying for my son to drink Gatorade and watch the 1st team practice all day.

This scrimmaging was supposed to culminate in the O-D Bowl on the final morning where you are supposed to see all the progress your son has made all week. He was put on the offensive line for 3 plays in the first half even though he had been taught defensive line and running back all week. With 4 minutes to go in the second half, he hadn’t played another down. Finally, I decided to say something to the coaches insisting to know why he wasn’t playing. After all, this is an instructional camp, not a competitive league. Finally he got in a few more plays at the end, but they put him at wide receiver which he has never played and ran running plays away from his side for the remainder of the game.

During the week, the “national sales rep” continually pitched the camp urging us to sign up for next year and save $200. He would throw out the same famous names over and over again as proof that attending the camp could lead to scholarships and maybe the NFL. I hate to burst his bubble, but anyone who got into a Div 1 program or the NFL was going to get there anyways. There is no way this camp could have improved the players that much in just 3 days. I think they prey upon the vanity of the parents who want to make their children into superstars. It’s like the people who play the lottery actually count on winning to fund their retirement. There are some “serial football campers” who attend almost every camp they can with their parents all summer long.

My son didn’t complain once about the 8 hours/day they practiced, but he does not want to go back. Some of it is because of the fights he saw off the practice field. He was particularly disturbed by one where older kids beat up on a younger kid. Next year, we will probably go to a Sports International Camp like we did last year going to Matt Light’s Patriots Camp. There wasn’t full contact, but it was better organized and the kids got autographs from Patriots every day. That’s really what they want.

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9 Comments so far (Add 1 more)

  1. Scott,
    As the communications director for Offense-Defense Sports, I was disappointed to hear your son (or you) did not have a good experience at our Atlanta camp. We know there were some issues with the camp, primarily a problem with the field space the school allowed us to use in comparison to the number of kids (almost 250). We apologize for any problems that may have caused. However,  know for a fact that the majority of kids and parents came out of that camp with a positive experience. Now that the camp is over, there is nothing we can do to fix the problems you had. We count on parents to let us know if there is a problem in time for us to fix it. I cannot let some of your false statements go by without responding. The idea of our camps are just what you complained about - teach the techniques the first few days then give them an opportunity to use them in live game situations. I’m not sure why your son did not get the number of reps as others (Was he in the Gatorade tent by his own choosing? Did he not like the contact part of the camp?) but the rotation is designed to give everyone a chance to work on the skills they learned. As for the fight, it’s impossible to put that many kids together and there not be some conflict, whether it’s school, sports or church camp, but we have a full staff of caunselors on hand to handle those situations. The last camp I attended, the two kids involved were forced to apologize to their teammates, miss the bowl game and run laps as punishment. There were no more fights after that one. And as for the claims of scholarship opportunities for the kids who atttend our camps, I have the numbers to back that up. We have Select and Elite camps for the top players in our program (a free camp, by the way) and those kids most certainly get exposure to more scouts and recruiters. Not all of them go on to play college ball, but most do. You can go to our website and read a story about Marlon Pollard, who started attending O-D camps at the age of 7 and credits the camps for his scholarship he just signed with UCLA. His story is not atypical of our longtime campers. Again, I’m sorry you did not get the same experience as others, but I ask you to look objectively at your actions and your sons and ask if we deserve all the blame. It seems it’s often a two-way street to having a good experience. Instead, you chose to slam our camp based on your own experience rather than looking at the big picture, and that is damage we cannot undo. I hope your son finds a camp that better suits his needs in the future. We realize O-D is not for everyone (some want full-contact and 8-hour workouts, others want non-contact and autograph sessions). But it’s a shame that some may read your post and miss out on a great opportunity and experience just because it wasn’t for you and your son. Thanks for the venue to respond.

    1. Terry Massey on June 29th, 2008 at 10:29 am
  2. Terry, Thanks for stopping by. Of course this is my blog and I call it like I see it, but everyone gets a forum on my blog as long as they are polite.

    Perhaps a few days at your camp every summer does lead to scholarships. Although it seems unlikely to me, I have no way of measuring the impact your camp would have in that regard so I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. I don’t think there is anyway to really prove it anyways unless there is an extraordinary percentage of Div 1 scholarships that are given to kids from your camps as opposed to those who do not attend your camps. Do you actually have statistics like that?

    From my perspective, none of my claims about my son’s experience are false as I sat alongside the field for the entire camp. I even went over to my son during practice and asked him if he was injured to find out why he wasn’t playing. Each time I asked him why he wasn’t playing he said that they just hadn’t called his group. He is only 10 and shouldn’t have to tell a coach he doesn’t know he is getting ignored. You say that I should have brought the lack of coaching attention and playing time to the coaches, however, on the very first day, the head coach made an impassioned plea to all the parents asking us to trust them, not to interfere and let the coaches do their job. I tried to respect that and never approached a coach until the final game in which my son was not playing at all. If this is an incorrect policy then we shouldn’t be discouraged from speaking up. I was standing right behind him on the sidelines the entire final game and not once did he miss a call to go in the game. They simply played their starting team most of the time. I have it all on video.

    As I expected, instead of actually being concerned about some kids might actually have been overlooked and how to improve your camp, you are attacking me as a complainer and basically called my child a wimp who is afraid of contact. My child in in his fourth year and is one of the toughest football players in his league. Most of the kids on his own team are afraid of him. You should not judge what you don’t know. There was no “gatorade tent” that he was hiding in, the gatorade was on a table right next to where they were practicing. When he is not playing and standing in the hot sun, what else is he supposed to do? You were not at the camp, I was. You do not know my son, I do. Perhaps a majority of kids there did enjoy their experience, but unfortunately, we walked away disappointed.

    We traveled a long way and paid a lot of money to attend your camp. I expected him to get more attention than he did. The fact that he did not is not my fault, it is your camp’s organization. Perhaps you should be the one looking in the mirror instead of me. I’m just glad I was able to witness it myself instead of leaving him there by himself for four days. I believe you are correct that the root cause is that there were just too many kids at the camp. Again, not my fault, but yours. I understand your desire to defend your business, but your attitude of blaming disenchanted parents and campers for a bad experience certainly does nothing to encourage me to apologize and print a retraction or even remove the post. My experience from talking to the parents who sat around me is that they may not be as impressed as you may think.

    I do appreciate the time you took to respond. I think an offer to improve the experience would have been received a bit better.

    2. Scott Allan on June 30th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
  3. Good for you, Scott–telling it like it is!

    lindas last blog post..C’est La Vie!

    3. linda on July 1st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
  4. I like what you have to say Scott, as my 11year old son also attended the camp in Seattle. I’m actually writing this while he is at camp.  I’ll let yoou know how our bowl game goes. My problem is also with the coaching.  They ask you what position your child plays and they claim on the website they will get “repetitions on both offense and defense” on their position. That’s a load of B.S. my son plays tailback and corner, and yet they put him on the line. When I asked the coach about it he said that he could practice with the backs, but yet it never happened, even after my son asked them on several occasions. In fact one of the coaches told my son “you’ll just have to deal with it”.  I did not pay $600 to have some pre-maddona coach tell my son to deal with it.  Unfortunately I live 2 hours from the camp and can’t attend everyday. They defintely pick and choose the kids. I believe alot of it is due to the so called parent counselors, funny how they put the kids they know in their positions, and everybody else is just fill in. We pay good money for this camp, and yet my son never got to practice in his position, big waste of money!!! I’m not looking for my son to be a superstar I just want him to stay focused on something positive and have fun doing it. I thought this camp would help hone his skills, the only thing this camp did was help condition my son before the season starts. I could have let him join a gym for the money I paid. Terry sure is fast to put the blame on your kid, take a look your orginization Terry, your website says one thing but you pretty much do what you want. I’am to say the least very disappointed with this camp, I only wish I would have stumbled on your website before signing him up. I sure hope other parents get to read this before they sign up.

    4. Tom Yonan on July 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
  5. Hi Tom,

    You’re not the first person I’ve heard from. Jim posted his comment on another post of mine,

    http://www.scottallan.com/2008/07/back-again.html#comments . Jim took his son to the Baltimore camp.   It’s comforting yet discouraging to know I’m not the only one who encountered these problems.   I do think they have some issues to address.  I think this happens to big organizations over time where they lose touch with customers and the quality begins to diminish.  I think they know they are the only full contact game in town and act that way.  I would hope they take these concerns seriously instead of writing them off as insignificant.  I do believe Terry Massey may have subscribed to my comments as we have corresponded by email a few times.  Hopefully he’ll take the time to read your and Jim’s concerns and make sure they get addressed for the coming year.

    5. Scott Allan on July 16th, 2008 at 6:58 am
  6. I had concerns about the camp too but I thought it was a good “warm-up” for the new season.  I would like to point out however that the pros they advertise on the website do not show up to the camp and my son was disappointed.  I bought that expensive football to get signed and an incoming rookie NFL player shows up.  What a joke.  Take the information about the pros off of your website if you cant get them to show up.  It is false advertising.

    6. Mike P on July 17th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
  7. Yeah Mike, we had Keith Brooking show up. The entire week, they said they didn’t know when he was coming, but he would show up when he felt like it. And on the 3rd day, lo and behold, they called practice at 10:30am, which was supposed to go to noon, because apparently that’s when Keith doesn’t like to wait. You have to drop everything for him even though he’s being paid to be there. They didn’t even tell the kids what was going on so they could grab their balls and tshirts. They probably did this so you would have to buy something at the store to sign. My son got a headband. At first they told the parents that they were calling practice because of the heat index which was ridiculous because it was 88 degrees out. I went to weatherbug.com which said the heat index was 89. Later on I got the word that Keith honored us all with his presence.

    7. Scott Allan on July 17th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
  8. Hi Scott,
    I stumbled upon your blog while looking for gallery pictures from the O-D camp my son just attended. He went to the Williamsburg, VA location.  We had about 130 or so campers there.  I don’t know what the coach/player ratio at your camp was but we had one coach for about every 10 campers. It sounds like our experiences were really different. (but talking to some parents who were returning this year, the 2008 camp was much better than the 2007 - I think it had everything to do with the head coach this year.) The head coach was relentless in making sure the op-tempo was solid.  If there was too much time in between calling the play and executiion…the coaches would hear about it.  No one was standing around or left out for more than three plays. We drilled basics every day, three times a day and then had scrimmage time.  If the head coach wasn’t happy with skills progression - then scrimmage would have to wait.  I also kept an eye on the clock and so did he. We were never late or running over, the head coach watched the clock like a hawk and gave his coaches time updates to keep the kids on track.
    Football is not my son’s passion, yet he made sure we signed up for next year.  It was the hardest thing he went through and felt a certain sense of accomplishment after he finished. He is far from being a shining star - yet the coaches pushed him, and took the time to teach - over and over if they had to. I couldn’t pick up on favoritism in his group. I wouldn’t stand for it, and they would hear from me if there was. I’m sorry to hear you experienced that at your location.
    The effort was really made to teach the position the kids wanted to play and/or try out. I’d be really upset if my son was made to play a position he didn’t want to learn or in his case continue to progress in. I think it is enexcusable to make the player learn a new position if he has played one on a team for several years, they should have worked with you on that. That’s just too much money to spend, and to know that those skills won’t be used on his home team, that’s just wrong. My son plays on the line and that’s what he played all week long.
    We never had a first or second team. Maybe it was the camp size - but again the head coach made sure everyone was engaged and learning at all times.
    Bottom line is that I’m sorry you and your son had a bad experience. I honestly believe that our camp might have had smaller overall numbers which helped.  But the overall catalyst for an oustanding camp was the level of coaching. The leadership was incredibly strong from the top down. “Coach G” really believed he could help each camper “get better” that was his goal. He held his other coaches accountable, and they performend for him. I know next year’s camp might be a terrible experience, maybe worse that what you and your son went through -so I’m going to try and find out where they are sending Coach G, and maybe that location would be convenient for us.

    8. Larissa Brewer on July 21st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
  9. Hi Larissa,  Sorry for the slow response.   I’m really glad you guys had a great experience at O-D.   It could be that different camps run things better than others, or perhaps the national office is listening and fixing things as the season progresses.  Thanks for taking the time to write!

    9. Scott Allan on July 24th, 2008 at 9:04 am

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